A Wonderfully Wordy T-shirt for Heterosexuals

A Wonderfully Wordy T-shirt for Heterosexuals

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    • Hey, SC!

      Thanks for leaving a comment. Could you elaborate a little more on the relationship it bears to the content of the cartoon?

      I’d wear the T-shirt, but I hope it wouldn’t make people think I thought I was good. I just figured, “Hey, if people can wear all kinds of shirts to show their interests and things they’re proud of (i.e. sexual orientation, pot, booze), then I can do the same.”

      :)

      Joshua

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      • I guess I went off on a tangent there. It just made me think about phony people who paint themselves one way, but are not as they seem. I suppose I have misconstrued the intent of the comic after all.

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      • I guess those T-Shirts are generally worn by groups who feel others are trying to make them feel ashamed of being in that group. So it’s like “Hey, actually we’re not ashamed”. If you think people are trying to make you ashamed of being married or straight, then you should get that t-shirt printed and wear it with pride!

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      • “I’m just proud to be part of all of them ”

        Cool. I’m also proud to have wonderful kids. I don’t know that I’m proud of being heterosexual, any more than I’m, say, proud of being a white male.

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  1. What I mean is that if you are a good person who’s taking care of your responsibilities and are basically a moral, upstanding person, it will be obvious to the public at large; you won’t need to announce it. I’m always rather suspicious of those that are ostentatious about pushing how “perfect” their family is–it’s usually anything but.

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    • Tell that to all the ‘proud Americans’ out there. Or Josh, who says he’s a ‘proud heterosexual’. Same applies, Mr Confusion.

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      • Well, I’m not going to go on and on about a very simple concept and a shirt that says as much. Monogamy, traditional marriage, fatherhood — those are worth celebrating, in my opinion. It’s really that simple. The word “heterosexual” was included for obvious reasons, since the current winds of the world are towards redefining marriage and father/motherhood. It’s the keyword and the most controversial word on the shirt, which is why it’s on there and in the title!

        Of course, Andy’s comments do remind us that his beliefs about certain traits / factors being hardwired or predetermined from birth (like sexual orientation, skin color, country where we were born) indicates that not all pride is equally warranted, right Andy?

        Joshua

        PS – I’m not patriotic.

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  2. Anyone with half a brain would know that nationality is different. Not everyone is born American. And those who are can easily leave and become a resident and even citizen of another country. So if you choose to be or remain an American due to a pride or love for your country, then that’s a personal choice that can be changed at any time.

    Changing ones sexuality for homosexuals is (supposedly) neither a choice, nor an option. It’s therefore hypocritical to say that you are “proud” of something that you were purportedly born as “genetically.” If that’s the case, then you are no different from those announcing their “pride” in belonging to the “Aryan race.”

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    • It’s not that easy to change nationality. And it makes no difference anyway – lots of people say they are proud to be American, despite it being something they were just born with. A huge proportion of them don’t even have passports and so have no experience of other countries. But proud they remain. But sure, I agree with you on one thing – anyone with half a brain will think it’s completely different!

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      • “A huge proportion of them don’t even have passports and so have no experience of other countries.”

        That’s because America’s so great, there’s no empty void to fill that makes us want to travel to other countries. ;)

        (I kid, I kid.)

        But the point being made is that there is a difference between being “proud” of your genes and being proud of the country you live in or any group that you belong to or associate with. That said, pride in any form can often be blind and foolish–it is a “deadly sin” after all.

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  3. “Monogamy, traditional marriage, fatherhood — those are worth celebrating, in my opinion.”

    Agreed–you don’t see these images enough in the media. What I originally thought you alluding to was those who adopt alternative lifestyles constantly claiming that they are great if not better at raising children than everyone else. (That’s what happens when you respond to something while sleep deprived.)

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  4. “indicates that not all pride is equally warranted, right Andy?”

    I’d say that being proud or ashamed of being heterosexual makes no more nor less sense than being proud or ashamed of being gay. If someone told me they were proud of being white I’d probably wonder ‘as opposed to what – being black?”. Whereas if someone told me they were proud of being black, I’d probably assume they meant as opposed to being ashamed of being it, rather than because they thought whiteys suck. This is due to the differing history of Caucasians and black people. White guys who moan that they don’t get an organisation for whites in the polices force are kind of missing the point. Likewise, gay pride is completely a reaction to centuries of oppression and persecution. I don’t see that it undermines heterosexuals at all. It certainly doesn’t undermine me.

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    • Well, Andy, I don’t see “gay pride” in the same way. I’ve seen some pretty crude T-shirts that leave nothing to the imagination (like graphic depictions), something which goes far beyond mere pride, in my opinion. What do you think? (And to be fair, the same is true for people who tend to use T-shirts to advertise promiscuous heterosexual behavior.)

      But there are times when some people think that being a proudly heterosexual, happily married father and saying so is somehow arrogant and is some kind of holier-than-thou expression.

      I do realize the problem is theirs, not mine.

      Joshua

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      • I’ve seen lots of crude hetero t-shirts, like you. My view on gay versions would be the same (though I’ve not seen any).

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      • How would you take a ‘proud to be white’ or ‘proud to be in a single race relationship’ t-shirt?

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      • “I wouldn’t feel anything because being your skin color isn’t a conscious decision”

        Yes, but choosing a partner of the same race, or a different race, is a conscious decision – or at least is arguably as much of a choice as choice of your partner’s gender. So my point pretty much stands.

        “there’s only one race as far as I’m concerned (human)”

        That’s a good attitude. I feel pretty much the same about loving adult partners – love is love regardless of their genders.

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    • Non sequitur. Two, in fact. With added troll. I’ll take that to mean you’ve no actual response. Likewise your comparison of hetero/homosexuality with obesity.

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  5. “But the point being made is that there is a difference between being “proud” of your genes and being proud of the country you live in”

    I don’t see the difference. Both appear a bit pointless to me. But if someone tries to make you feel ashamed of either, knock yourself out and tell them you’re proud of it.

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    • “But if someone tries to make you feel ashamed of either, knock yourself out and tell them you’re proud of it.”

      None of us were trying to stop anyone from announcing their “pride.” It’s just that it’s as ridiculous as an obese person announcing how “proud” they are to be “fat” because they were made to feel ashamed of being overweight.

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  6. “How would you take a ‘proud to be white’ or ‘proud to be in a single race relationship’ t-shirt?”

    Let me attempt to answer for Joshua. It is obvious that being “white” and being in a “single race” relationship are not accomplishments, they are attitudes based on genetics and taxonomy. Starting and raising a family on the other hand, is an accomplishment–it’s one of the most important and difficult jobs in the world. If you’ve raised your children right, you’ll likely have a lot to be proud of.

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    • “Let me attempt to answer for Joshua”

      I’m more interested in his answer than what you think people with half a brain believe, or what seems obvious to you. He included being heterosexual in his list, which by your logic is no achievement at all.

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      • “He included being heterosexual in his list, which by your logic is no achievement at all.”

        Yes–it’s the “logic” of anyone with at least half a brain. When you understand what satire is, you’ll get why Joshua included his being heterosexual.

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    • “When you understand what satire is”

      This is the problem when you try to answer for other people. If you look at what Josh actually said, it included: “But there are times when some people think that being a proudly heterosexual…”

      It’s hardly likely he’s referring to the t-shirt cartoon above, right? He’s referring to the situations that inspired the t-shirt cartoon, not reactions to the cartoon itself. In other words, the t-shirt cartoon is his reaction to there being ‘times’ (plural) when others detect a holier-than-thou attitude in someone else having pride in (among other attributes) being heterosexual.

      So… is he proud of being heterosexual or not? He doesn’t say ‘there are times when people misunderstand the satire in my pretend t-shirt where I satirically claim to be proudly heterosexual’. He says ‘BEING a proudly heterosexual…’.

      So you’re trying to speak for Josh, yet either he’s pretty confused or he does indeed take pride in something that according to you no-one with (at least) half a brain would feel pride in.

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      • Remember that “heterosexual” is the keyword and it should be taken together with the rest of the text on the shirt. If I had just written “happily married”, the current redefinition limbo of marriage would mean that any homosexual person whom the state deems “married” could wear the T-shirt. The same goes for “father of wonderful children”. And if I had written just “proudly heterosexual”, that would have seemed like an advertisement for promiscuity, in my opinion. But throw together, that’s where the problem comes in. There is so much that fights against (traditional) marriage these days, both outside of me and within me. There are all sorts of distractions and temptations. Marriage is hard work (not news to those of us who are married, I know). I make mistakes daily. But it is the central teachings of Jesus — repentance, forgiveness, love — that enrich and sustain my marriage with my wife. (Cross-cultural relationships aren’t easy.)

        I’d like to add that when discussing heterosexuality or homosexuality, I think we’re dealing with conscious decisions over sexual behavior, not a sort of unalterable, wired-from-birth sexuality. Accordingly, every element of the T-shirt is a conscious decision that I made and that I hold certain duties and responsibilities toward: I decided to be heterosexual. I decided to get married. I decided to have children.

        So I wanted a simple, easy way to share with everyone the joy I feel of being a heterosexual, happily married, father of wonderful kids. Heck, T-shirts are affordable here, I might just print one up for the fun of it. :)

        Take care, you two! Thanks for your interactions. Chinese New Year is coming up, so I’ve got a lot of reading to a catch up on.

        新年快樂!

        Joshua

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  7. “the current redefinition limbo of marriage would mean that any homosexual person whom the state deems “married” could wear the T-shirt.”

    Yup, and they could wear it with pride. If you start making those t-shirts you could make a version for them, simply by replacing the word ‘heterosexual’ with ‘gay’.

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  8. By the way, celebration day in the UK – last night MPs voted to legislate gay marriage! The big kerfuffle was that the equivalent of the GOP here in the UK, the Conservative Party, voted roughly 50/50 for and against (it passed with the help of other parties’ MPs. So, you may have a market for ‘gay’ versions of those T-Shirts here in Britain, if you get into the t-shirt business.

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  9. “Yes, but choosing a partner of the same race, or a different race, is a conscious decision – or at least is arguably as much of a choice as choice of your partner’s gender. So my point pretty much stands.”

    Wait…so Andrew’s saying being gay is a “conscious decision?” A choice, basically? Great–you seem to agree with many others who believe that choosing homosexual partners is a conscious choice, rather than natural-born instinct.

    And conscious decisions do not warrant pride. You choose friends who are geniuses and you decide to announce your pride in that. But why should YOU be proud that you simply have friends that are geniuses–something that has nothing to do with you, your accomplishments, and your intelligence level?

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  10. “You said that choosing a gay partner is a conscious decision.”

    No I didn’t. Go back to what Josh said and what I said in response.

    Josh said he ‘wouldn’t feel anything’ in response to someone wearing a t-shirt saying ‘proud to be in a single race relationship’ as ‘being your skin color isn’t a conscious decision’.

    This is a non sequitur – you might as well say ‘being your gender isn’t a conscious decision’. That your own gender and race isn’t a conscious decision is irrelevant to the point, which is the choice of your partner. I said it is ‘arguably as much of a choice as choice of your partner’s gender’.

    To clarify, I’m not saying your partner’s gender is or isn’t a choice – I’m saying that any argument you make for against your partner’s race being a choice would apply equally to their gender.

    In other words, you can’t argue that being proud of your partner’s race is any more or less meaningless that being proud of your partner’s gender. Saying ‘I didn’t choose my race’ means no more than a gay person saying ‘I didn’t choose my gender’.

    One could actually argue it either way – one could say that Josh had no choice in being attracted to partner of a different race (in as much as he accepts the concept of race anyway), but one could also argue that he DID have the choice of not going out with her. No-one held a gun to his head, after all.

    Equally, one could argue that a person might be attracted to their own gender (whether all the time or on a one-off occasion) and had no choice in the matter, but equally they DID have a choice about whether to go out with that person.

    I deliberately did not wade into the ‘choice’ argument specifically due to the possibility of equivocation on the meaning of ‘choice’ as outlined about. But both meanings were irrelevant to the point I did make, anyway.

    I said ‘read my post again’ in the hope that you’d read it more carefully and work out what my meaning was – I believe I made it pretty clear.

    But twice you completely ignored it in order to twist what I said in an attempt to score some kind of rhetorical point. Which is what I should have come to expect from you. And again, that’s why I was trying to address my posts to Josh, and not to you. You can say what you want about Josh, he doesn’t tend to use your dishonest tactics. He at least makes an attempt to understand, even if he never actually agrees.

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  11. “In other words, you can’t argue that being proud of your partner’s race is any more or less meaningless that being proud of your partner’s gender.”

    Agreed. Now do you see the ridiculousness behind those “gay pride” T-shits? (And I reiterate, no one is trying to stop anyone from wearing a T-shirt–it’s just highlighting the senselessness of false pride.)

    “But twice you completely ignored it in order to twist what I said in an attempt to score some kind of rhetorical point.”

    No, it’s just that what you’ve said is all over the place. Maybe you should get your thoughts organized so we can decipher what you are saying and glean the point(s) being made.

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  12. T-shits? Good God man. That aside, no – your reading comp sucks, and worse you immediately leap to stupid conclusions. Discussing anything with you is pointless.

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